14. Job anxiety survival guide for humanitarians: stand out and stay sane
The Rewired for Good podcast | Episode 14 | 6 February 2025
Notes
In this episode of Rewired for Good, we tackle the number one concern brought to every coaching session this week: the uncertainty of the humanitarian and development job market.
We cover:
- key tactics and reframes to approach job searching and applications in a strategic way
- prompts to elevate your self-concept as a humanitarian and clarify your unique added value so you can show up confidently and so your so your CV, cover letters and interviews are as strong as can be.
- techniques to make the application process less painful, easier and more pleasant
- and the 5 key aspects of your wellness that you need to feed to hold the distance throughout these challenging times.
No matter what your situation is, this episode will help you regain confidence, refine your applications and get through this with as little stress as possible.
Grab your notebook, take a deep breath, and let's get to work.
Transcript
Good morning, afternoon, night, everyone, whenever you're listening, wherever you are, how are you? I am doing well through this perplexing, watershed moment that the humanitarian sector is experiencing. And I am just beyond grateful for your presence here week after week for your willingness to listen to something that can help you through the toughest times.
We're embarking against our will on a couple of months of serious turbulence and soul-searching together. One thing's for sure, no one's alone in this, and this space, I hope, is a source of grounding and balance for you.
I've been following very closely your thoughts and fears all over the internet, coaching my butt off, hearing from aid workers left and right first-hand.
And spoiler alert, we are an anxious bunch these days. And there's a ton of people mobilizing to post on job boards and offer coaching and offer constructive solutions for the way forward globally for the sector. Solidarity all around brainstorming ways to better help people in need. We think our funding models, our aid delivery practices, the way we work top to bottom, bottom up.
We are not stuck in despair as a community. That's what I'm observing. And that's really, really good to see.
It's what we do best, right? Respond to crisis. Take a hit, assess, and go.
I'm extremely excited about this episode. I get super specific on how you can tackle the ongoing job panic.
So get your notebooks out, open the Notes app on your phone. You're going to want to write some stuff down.
The last two episodes were meant to help you address what's shaking the sector at the global level and at the individual level not just regarding the recent announcements from the US administration but other issues also that are creating a lot of concerns all around a lot of. Serious discomfort and have been for years frankly attacks against aid workers against our values, artificial intelligence and the loss of our sense of purpose a little bit all around.
So i invite you to go listen to them if you haven't already. To summarize, in there:
- I talk about the power of accepting turbulence as a normal process because at the end of the day resisting reality is a pretty massive waste of time
- I talk about building belief in unexpected solutions and working to move forward no matter how bad the odds look.
- I talk about the power of our hearts and our minds and our values and our voices to rethink our options rethink our sector.
- I talk to you about how to manage negative emotion and I also offer ideas on how to redirect your energy into activities that will support your nervous system and help you weather the storm.
In this episode I want to address very specifically the concern that has been brought literally to everyone of my coaching sessions this past week, and it's about worries regarding the job market.
So for example someone who is currently taking a break intentionally since December to focus on her personal life told me she believes she needs to rethink her entire plan for the beginning of this year, and start applying for jobs urgently sooner than she wanted to and more intensely than she planned that's cause she's nervous and she's just afraid of not finding anything anytime soon and her savings might run out.
There's someone else I coached this week who said he's too old and too tired to reinvent himself outside of the sector. If he loses his job, he doesn't know what he's going to do. He lives with a chronic illness. He can't afford to lose his health insurance. He feels a lot of pressure also to send his kids to a nice university. And he just doesn't know if he's going to be able to.
Someone else was placed on administrative leave overnight in the US she's of course, devastated, extremely shocked. She has two little munchkins to worry about. And it's been really, really hard for her.
And then another one of my coachees was based in Goma had to evacuate to Uganda with just her go-bag, leaving pretty much everything behind it's a very scary situation the fighting got really close to them and now after two weeks everybody's being sent home to their home bases and they're like "we don't know what the organization is going to do with us". And this person was let go by this employer once before and so she has a little bit of trauma related to that.
Two other humanitarians that I work with in my coaching practice are in the middle of a relocation exercise within their organization and they're like super super nervous about it. They cannot afford to be left stranded in this exercise. They're just worried that there's going to be too many people looking to move and not enough places to move to, and that they're going to be left behind.
So overall, in addition to the terror that we are all facing at the idea that today about 300 million people rely on humanitarian aid across the world to survive, and that we don't really have clarity on how we're going to support them moving forward, there is also this very personal and legitimate concern for our own individual employments.
We are all in very different situations when it comes to the humanitarian job market these days, but somehow, somehow I see it from the person who was put on administrative leave overnight and literally has lost their source of income overnight, to the person who has a six-figure contract until 2068 at UNHQ, we all seem to be sharing the same anxiety around the idea basically that the humanitarian job market as we knew it is kind of over.
Now that might actually not be true but if it is true it might not be a bad thing, right? It's not like we've been doing it right all these years, I think we can all agree on that there's room to improve but there is a lot of anxiety to manage and it's really hard to feel safe on that front these days.
So I want to give you very, very practical tactics to tackle this.
I've been reading relentlessly about the impact attending senior management meetings, hearing the thinking of high level decision makers in this sector, when it comes to fund allocations in this uncertainty. And it is from that perspective that I bring you a few ways to start approaching these fears related to your own job and the humanitarian job market at large for the foreseeable future.
I promised I would be very, very concrete and tactical in this episode we covered most of the mindset work that i recommend around all this in the previous episodes please please please go listen to them because mindset is extremely important but before we get started I do want to share that I think this is a time to take a page from the book of nature.
If you look around almost everything in nature ebbs and flows: there's day and night, winters and summers, highs and lows, times for hunting, and times for hibernating, seasons for growth and expansion, and seasons for saving effort.
The plants, the animals, the moon, the tides, almost everything has times of advancement and times of retreat. So much in life works in cycles, and seasons.
And I feel like sometimes we have this arrogance as human beings that we are a little bit above nature, right? But we're not. We're part of it. We have good days and bad days, times to spend energy, and times to save it, illnesses and recovery time.
So before we get in the thick and practical aspects of this job worry topic, I want to propose this timid reminder for you all: if these cold, scary, uncertain and turbulent times are slowing you down and shaking you up, let them.
Give yourself permission to be okay a bit in this situation, because there is no upside in being stressed about it. Whether you lost your job already or you're afraid you will, you might as well be in that space calmly and accept life's invitation to chill a bit.
I know a lot of you might be like, "Yas, this is easier said than done. I have bills to pay. I don't know what I'm going to do. It's really hard". And I know it takes a bit of mind tweaking and rewiring to be able to access the state of both feeling at risk while at the same time, not panicking.
You don't feel safe. And the primitive part of your brain is going to do its job beautifully in alerting you to that perceived lack of safety. And I say "perceived" because when you're freaking out and you feel your fight, flight, and freeze reflexes coming up, you get to bring your prefrontal cortex into your internal dialogue and reevaluate the actual reality of the situation to notice on purpose that your physical integrity is not threatened.
You as a living thing are fundamentally safe today. No matter what your job situation is in this moment. Your status might be at risk, your finances, and you may even allow this to affect your self-confidence.
And you're safe nonetheless. You're safe. Let that sink in.
And your worthiness as a human being is not, was never, will never be defined by what you do for a living or your title. It is not defined by your outputs or your production. You are okay.
This is a season, a low tide, a night, a winter. Nothing is permanent. Take a step back, breathe, retreat, prepare, adapt, and most important, be willing to shed everything that isn't essential to you if that's what you need to do to get through this.
We humanitarians are people who understand the importance of remaining calm in crisis, but somehow when it becomes personal, it's really hard to stay calm, at least internally, even if we don't let it show externally, right?
But when we're drowning or facing a strong opposing current, the last thing we want to do is agitate ourselves in the water. And when we go through turbulence on an airplane, we wouldn't get up from our seats and start moving around like chickens without heads in the aisles.
So really, that's the first important thing I want to remind you of before we get into all the tactical stuff. Allow yourself to breathe and be still with this season of our lives and all its uncertainty, lack of visibility, lack of immediate answers.
If you're going to go through this, if these circumstances are happening against your will, there is no upside in going through it with a permanent state of agitation or panic.
You may have panic attacks that you can't help. You may have grief grenades exploding in your face multiple times a day and all that pre-traumatic stress that I was mentioning in the previous episode. You can't help it. That's fine. Let it happen. Allow those emotions to be there for a minute, process them as part of the cycle and carry on living life in this low light, low temperature, low energy cycle. It's okay.
Now, let's get tactical.
I'm super pumped to see all the job career resources that are popping up. People are really scaling up efforts to support each other and curate openings and create this amazing list of resources and knowledge exchange, on Facebook groups, on LinkedIn, on podcasts, other platforms, lots of career coaches out there offering their time for free. It's pretty freaking heartwarming.
However, I'm watching people apply frantically to everything and anything, overusing and misusing AI to send more applications faster, barely tailoring their cover letters and their CVs networking their people to the bone.
And I gotta be honest: I think there's a lot of dust flying around, being kicked around in the air. I'm hearing CEOs of NGOs and heads of organizations share their thinking. Everyone is very hesitant to make decisions today about hiring and spending money because they're not sure of what money they have.
I've been a hiring manager for several years now and I don't think this is a time to apply frantically. I think this is a time to apply sparingly and strategically. Quality over quantity. Save your energy, take a step back and be extra strategic, extra selective and targeted, extra careful and detail-oriented about the cover letters and the CVs that you send out. Extra meticulous about the way you prepare for interviews. Extra delicate about the way you use your network.
These days, the humanitarian job market is going to have so few openings and so many applicants. If you apply without care, you are going to get lost in the mud, you are going to get a lot of crickets, it's going to wear you out. It's going to chip away your self-confidence. You're going to make it mean a lot of unnecessary things about your worth and your value and your place in this world. And it's just not the way I recommend you go about it.
What I propose instead is that this is a chance to really hone down your self concept as a humanitarian and clarify for yourself what you truly bring to the table of a team, an organization or a crisis.
So I prepared four prompts to help you find that clarity. Grab your notebook, grab your pen, let's go.
The first one is what are the five biggest qualities that I possess as an aid worker? Do you really know how to create a good teamwork environment? Are you particularly good at anticipating problems and always having plan B, C, D all the way to the letter K to prevent them from happening? Or do you really have a talent in making people give you money? Or are you the queen of coordination, thanks to your soft skills? Or are you just very very hard working and not afraid to do the most menial tasks if that's what's required.
So for me, I went through this exercise, I think for example some of my qualities are that I am very very big-picture, strategic, I don't get lost in the weeds of box sticking. I think I'm very candid and that's really effective for building trust with stakeholders. I am very good at welcoming feedback because I don't take it personally. I think I have the capacity to work extremely long hours for extremely long periods of time under extremely high stress and not get burnt out. I'm also technically very solid with a very broad range of skills in communication.
So that's the kind of unique selling points that we're looking for and that you want to bring to the surface of your consciousness.
The second prompt is what are five challenges, big or small, that I was able to overcome or help solve in the course of my career?
So maybe you helped solve a problem of delay in a delivery of materials, or maybe you were able to handle a very toxic colleague, or maybe you were able to dismantle the misuse of funding in your organization, or bring to light some sexual exploitation and abuse situation. Maybe you solved a thorny problem with a party to conflict, or you saved that capacity strengthening project that almost wasn't going to happen.
And for this, you want to make sure you tell the whole story, right? The context, the problem, why it was hard to solve, and how you solved it. This is just really important for you to see that you're a problem solver, a solution-oriented person, and that you are capable to move things forward.
The third thing that I invite you to ask yourself is, what are some of the things I want to continue to strengthen?
As you go through this exercise, your brain is going to want to bring up all of your shortcomings and all of the things you don't know how to do and all of your gaps. And this is the space where you let it come up, right? Because we don't want to pretend it's not there.
But it's not an excuse to beat yourself up. I really, really want to insist on this. Don't tell yourself that you suck. It's not helpful. The energy I recommend here is that you take note, neutrally, of the fact that you're not perfect -- and, you know, gentle reminder, no one is -- and deliberately decide that you are ready to start or continue the process of working on these things.
So for me, for example, I know I want to become better at managing my frustration when people are slacking or producing low quality work. I also know I want to become better at focusing on getting things done without worrying about them being perfect because I waste a lot of time on that. I have noticed that I want to work on feeling and sounding more confident when I speak in management meetings surrounded by men.
These are all things I know I can improve. And I don't see them as failures of mine. I don't make them mean that I'm not good enough. I just see them as the key priorities for me to improve. And that's how I'm inviting you to approach it as well for yourself.
Prompt number four, and the last one, is what are the five principles and values that I live by in the workplace?
Is teamwork something you really believe in? Or integrity above everything? Or open communication? Or delivery no matter what? Or inclusiveness? What do you stand for as a human and as a humanitarian?
These questions are really, really essential to help you define who you are and who you want to be. Get specific with each of these prompts. Go meet yourself and your awesomeness.
The best is, of course, to work with a professional because they can help you dismantle some limiting beliefs that you may not see. But if you don't work with a coach or a therapist, you can always ask the people who respect you professionally, your friends in the sector, and ask them what your strengths are, what they liked about working with you, and keep building that belief that you have real value to add to the positions that you apply for.
Use what you come up with to make your cover letters really stand out, to make sure that they add analysis to the CV, the takeaways, the "so what" component of your experience listed in the CV, and that they're not just a repetition of the data that is on your CV or your PHP/P11, if what you're applying to is a job at the UN.
You have got to tell employers clearly and teach employers clearly what they need to think about you, how they should read your life. Don't let them interpret your CV and decide on your behalf who you are. It's your job to tell them who you are.
I just botched an interview recently, massive faceplant, really. It's okay cause I wasn't looking to take the position. I was just looking to get rostered and I got coached on it afterwards with one of my coaches. And I realized that what was happening is that my belief in myself on being valuable and capable for that position simply wasn't there with me during that conversation. My mind was completely elsewhere that entire week. I didn't prepare. I didn't do the work. And I showed up in a way that simply wasn't going to blow anybody's socks off, starting with my own. So I redid this work on my value, my added value with these prompts that I just proposed to you.
And I also take my coachees through this when they are preparing an application. And earlier this week, just to give you an example, I was coaching someone who was applying to this UN HQ position. And the way she framed it at the beginning of the session was like, "I'm completely not qualified for this job. I have nothing to say in this interview." She was basically telling me that they invited her to the interview by mistake.
But after an hour of coaching, we dug out her experience out of her brain. And she was able to come to the conclusion that she actually is a fantastic candidate who has a lot to bring to the table and that they basically would be crazy not to hire her. She walked out of the session with a completely opposite belief system about herself and how good of a match she was for the position than what she originally brought to the session.
So that's the kind of positive focus and work that you have the opportunity to create in this climate, for yourself, against the background of the current tense and uncertain news.
I'm going to repeat this: if you look to produce a high volume of one-size-fits-all applications, instead of focusing on leveling up your mindset, your process and your application documents, you will burn yourself out and you will water down your selling points.
Focus on quality when you select the jobs you apply to. Good matches only. And every step of the way thereafter, from the desktop paper application to the live interviews, make sure you know what you're bringing to the table and why you're showing up.
So that when you hit, you hit hard, you show yourself in the best light, you put your best foot forward, you build momentum for yourself thoughtfully, and you make the case that you are a good match for the employer and that they would basically miss out big time by not hiring you.
Onto tactical recommendation number two. If you have decided that this is a time for you to apply for jobs, make it as easy and as pleasant as possible for yourself to do it and not procrastinate or blow it off, because let's face it as an activity, as far as activities go, I have yet to meet someone who can tell me "I love applying for jobs", right?
It's horribly vulnerable. It's a horribly vulnerable exercise where you have to sell yourself. It's awkward. You have to summarize your entire life experience in a few words. You have to look awesome and confident, but also kind of humble. It's just, it sucks all around. So we want to embrace the suck and also try to turn the dial down on the suck.
So here.
The invitation is to work on a mini-strategy to remove as much friction as possible, as much desire not to do it as possible.
When I'm in a time of my life when I want to apply to things a lot, here's how I go about it. So I'm going to share my little strategy with you and I hope it works for you. There's nine little things.
1- you set a measurable goal. How many applications do you want to send out per week or per month minimum? Now just pick one and stick to it.
2 - you block a time on your calendar. Now, public service announcement. The person who blocks the time on the calendar, the version of you that blocks the time on the calendar needs to take care of the version of you who will have to sit and implement your strategy. So you know yourself better than anyone. This is an activity that is difficult de facto. Don't plan it at a time where for sure you're not going to want to do it. If you're someone who focuses best in the mornings, don't schedule it for the time when you're usually watching your favorite TV show at 11 PM. Work with yourself on this, not against yourself. I know I'm stating the obvious, but guys, I swear this happens.
3 - is to give yourself a time limit. Once you've done all the prompts that I shared above and revamped your resume and thought about your added value and you know, upgraded your cover letter. You should not need more than one hour to tailor each application. Don't let your applications take three hours. What a massive energy drain. Again, we're trying to be light and nimble through this process. We want to build momentum, not burn ourselves out. We want to build confidence. Three hours on an application? Kill me now, right? I mean, no. So limit, give yourself a time limit and then stick to it. Really, as you would if you were taking a test or doing something that you just have no choice, but to finish within a time limit.
4 - is set very clear criteria on the kinds of jobs that you can get and that you want. Right? Location or duty station, level of responsibility, level of hardship, family welcome or not, level of income. And here I invite you to not let the scarcity mindset get the best of you and convince you to apply for stuff that you're not attracted to or are not fit for. This is just not a time, again, to just send bottles in every direction. We want to build confidence and it's not going to be by sending a thousand things that get no responses and that don't match our needs.
5 - Make the job openings come to your inbox directly. So map out all the places you need to harvest openings from, whether it's ReliefWeb, UN Talent, ICRC, IFRC, UN Inspira, LinkedIn, I don't know how you do it, but create job searches and job alerts and automate the crap out of this process. And then sit back and receive. It is so much more pleasant than sitting down daily and scouting the web page after page like a hunter. I know a lot of you guys do it that way. Let it come to you. Game changer for your comfort levels, I promise you.
Now, I really want to insist on the fact that you must have defined clear criteria, because in my humble opinion, there is really nothing worse for your motivation and mindset than to frequently receive a bunch of listings that have absolutely nothing to do with what you're looking for. It'll give you the impression that the job market is worse than it is, that you'll never find what you need. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack and that you're just not going anywhere with this. You're going to drown in it. So really set clear criteria and make sure that the stuff that comes to you is relevant.
Tactic number 6- keep a clear chronological list for the deadlines, digital or paper. I love this little one because one, it gives me the confidence that I'm not going to miss anything. And two, I like to do it by hand because I like to pin it to my corkboard. And then every time I'm done applying for something, I get the massive pleasure of just scratching it off the list in style. I feel very, very powerful when I do that. So that's my little thing, but you know, keep a list, keep it clear. Just don't wonder, is there something I forgot that ? You want to have clarity there.
Tactic 7 - have an easy copy-paste system on your desktop so you can tailor your applications easily without reinventing the wheel every time. So for me, it looks like a Word doc where I have all my topics with paragraphs, right? So that when I'm asked about my field experience, boom, I can just go grab it. When I'm asked about my event planning experience, I can just go and grab it. If it's about resource mobilization, I have a paragraph for that. If it's about report writing, I have a paragraph for that data management. Boom. Got it. And of course I didn't like sit down and build that file in one day, but as I go and apply to things and those paragraphs are required for the applications that I do send out, then I carefully remember to copy and paste and add to that sort of master file so that I get to reuse those paragraphs easily. It's a massive, massive time saver.
Number 8 - and this is essential, have a ready-to-go strategy for the obstacles that will show up in the process. Obstacles are, for example, your brain throwing a fit and not wanting to sit down and apply like it had initially decided to, how are you going to counter that? What are you going to do? What's your internal negotiation going to sound like? Other possible obstacle, your mom and your friend show up at the time that you were planning to sit down and apply. How are you going to manage that? Do you have a plan B? Do you have another slot in the week that you could do it? What's your strategy? Make the whole list of potential issues that might stand in the way of you achieving your little weekly or monthly application goal and have a proper, clear strategy ready to go for each of them ahead of time.
9th and final favorite little tactic to take the edge off the application process (it's really my favorite): I want you to make it pleasant, I want you to turn it into almost a self-care ritual. Okay. Don't roll your eyes at me. Sky's the limit here. Don't be ashamed. If you need to blast Taylor Swift's "Shake it off" and shake your butt in a power dance in front of the mirror to pump you up before you sit down. Do it. If you need your best work focus playlist on, do it. If a forest scented candle will make the experience nicer, light it up. If you have a sweater that was given to you by someone you love and makes you feel really cozy and loved and safe, make that your gear for applying for jobs.
And above all, above all, make your workstation welcoming, beautiful. Make it somewhere you want to be. Clear the mess. Surround yourself with objects that bring you joy or peace.
Someone I love very much took a photo after the recent ceasefire in Lebanon. And he told me this photograph captured a perfect moment for him. So I had it printed for him for Christmas and he decided to keep it next to his workstation. So he gets to dive into that perfect moment at all times when he sits down to work. And, you know, I think that's brilliant, right? What's best than just having a peace-creating visual when you're sitting down to apply for jobs?
So please don't discount, don't neglect any of these little tactics. They sound like nothing, but when things are difficult to do, we need to trick our brains into thinking that it's not that big a deal and to chip away at the discomfort and it's the compound effect of all these little friction removal tactics that are going to make it easier and more pleasant for you overall.
All right, we're moving on to the third and final tactical recommendation of the week. As you go through these stress inducing, slightly difficult times professionally, be super thoughtful about what you consume, about what you feed yourself from a wellbeing perspective.
As humans, we have basically five areas that we need to nurture to feel good in our lives:
- the physical
- the intellectual
- the spiritual
- the emotional
- and the social.
There is no need to be prescriptive in any of these areas but I do invite you to be mindful of what you consume in all these areas, what you put inside you in all of these areas, especially in these challenging times, because again, we want to make it as easy as possible for ourselves to get through this, not as hard as possible.
So on the physical front, you know, the science is clear, too much sugar and alcohol will deplete your energy, it will mess with your brain, it will make you feel heavy and slow and out of control. A lack of sleep will make the smallest tasks feel impossible. On the other hand, exercise, even the smallest little bit, will help your brain create all the happy chemicals that you need to feel empowered throughout your day.
On the intellectual front, there's a lot of dark, apocalyptic analysis going on. I'm begging you not to feed your brain with that. I implore you. Just this week on the US freeze, I heard some really intelligent, thought-provoking, and hopeful podcasts on the matter. Look for those. Look for that kind of stuff. Choose all the content you consume very carefully, even the fiction. And if there's something you wanted to learn now is the time to do it, right? Feed that intellectual need of yours. There's lots of cool courses online on humanitarian aid, on project management, on communication, on negotiation, on languages, you can use the opportunity to grow intellectually instead of shrinking into your seat, right?
On the spiritual front, whatever your beliefs are, whatever higher forces you believe in -- it doesn't have to be religious, you can also just be a firm believer in physics or love. Just make sure that you have a daily practice to stay connected to that higher force you believe in. Prayer, meditation, mindfulness of any sort, gratitude journals, your call, but stay connected to the higher things that you believe in.
For your emotional well-being, we covered this extensively in the previous episodes. Just a gentle reminder, let the negative emotions be there. Don't push them down. Don't run away. It will come back with a vengeance. So go back to the previous episodes if you skipped them. This is really essential for you to get through this in the best conditions.
And finally, the social aspect of well-being. People say (on the internet!) that you are the sum of the five people that you hang out with the most. And I'm personally a bit skeptical about this, but there is some truth to it, right? So while there's nothing wrong with people who complain and are negative and see the glass half empty and are incapable of seeing possibility, there's also nothing wrong with haters or people who gossip and just in general don't bring the brightest energy to the table. I love them very much. I will be happy to sit with them.
But when we are not in our strongest moment, we just want to be mindful of the amount of time that we spent consuming their thoughts and their perspectives. I invite you to seek the company of the people you love, the people who make you feel good about yourself. If you need their help and company, say it. I know it's hard to be vulnerable sometimes that way, but people who love you want to be there for you. Humor them, give them that pleasure of being useful friends to you and nurture that social need of yours.
So these last tactical recommendations are all to make sure that you have your own back to sustain the effort, to take care of yourself on all the key fronts of your well-being. I'm very sorry for the commonplace, but life and job searching is a marathon. It's not a sprint. You need to have the right readiness to hold the distance. And it really starts with watching what you consume and also whose thoughts you consume.
That's it for today. I'm sorry this episode was a bit longer than usual, but I really wanted to get specific and support you as best as I can to navigate these tricky times.
I really hope it helps. If it does, please please please please share this episode with other humanitarians who you know are struggling with their job situation or are just struggling in general to make sense of the ongoing chaos. Help me help them too. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for listening. I'll talk to you next week.
Take care of yourself, y'all. You're not alone.